I've been having a conversation with
Legally Kidnapped through the comment section of her blog. (I don't know if she's a guy or girl I'm just saying she to make things simple). She brought up some good points and questions for me that I thought I would answer here rather than taking up 3 pages in the comment section. This may not make a lot of sense to my readers because the responses below are in reference to my comments on her blog. What is below are responses to questions I asked her, but for expediency I didn't copy everything, just that I wished to respond to. If you're curious you can check out the original response from LK
HERE. Feel free to comment here if you like, but I ask for respect no matter which side of this issue you fall on. I realize when it comes to children emotions run high. But we'll never get anywhere if we're not calm and diplomatic. Disrespectful comments will be deleted.
Oh, and also let me say that I am admittedly VERY ignorant about the foster system. I've been interested in fostering for years but honestly, I don't think I have the backbone for it. Selfish I know, but it's true. And being that way I feel I could do more good from the outside, if that makes sense. That's why I visit blogs like LK's and
M4M, to try to see ways to help. My only experience with fostering is through 3 friends who foster. Two of them give their hearts and souls to these children and work hard for reunification if that is what the court orders. The third loves the kids, but is very disorganized and I think looks at foster more for a means of cheap adoption-not a reason I personally feel anyone should get into foster care. Okay, LK's words are in italics, so here goes...
First-to the Anon commenter on that post-I'm sorry to have offended you, and my heart aches for your loss. Looking at my response I realize I didn't word that well. I was referring to the ways in which I feel LK harasses foster parent blogs (like M4M-whose blog title is meant to be taken as a dry, ironic joke)
You would need people running the system who respect the rights of the family including the parents. You would need to start addressing some of the issues that parents raise. Issues such as lying CPS workers stealing children for trivial reasons and the judges who will rubber-stamp their signatures on practically every piece of paper that gets put in front of them by one. You would need to remove some of the financial incentives so that the System Sucks aren't viewing other peoples children as a meal ticket. Good luck with that.I completely agree. The system needs someone to answer to-I personally feel it should be, on some level, the public. Our country as a whole has steered away from government fearing it's people. Now people fear the government-it shouldn't be that way. "They" should live in fear of their people uprising and kicking their sorry butts out of office.
Social workers etc should get paid better because their work is difficult, physically, emotionally, you name it. They SHOULD NOT be paid based on how many children they bring into or adopt out of the system. It's sick.
Where do we start to stop it? I don't know the route. Who do I complain to? I honestly don't know where to begin-once I do know I can guarantee I won't sit idly by.
This is a very common question I get, but it's also a trick question. And the simple answer is, I am not against fostering altogether. How could I be? I'm not really a bad person. I don't advocate for a parents right to abuse or neglect their child. I am rational enough to understand that some parents should not be or are not capable of raising their children. So I'll be the first to admit that there are times when foster care is necessary. I'll be the first to admit that there are times when foster care is the best possible option for a child.This was not meant to be a trick question. I would not feel you were bad to say you're against fostering. I'm not talking about children here I'm talking about a system. But I can understand your caution and see how unscrupulous people would twist such an answer.
The labels such as "abuser" that are placed on parents are generic. There is a difference between a kid who gets a spanking and a kid who has been beaten to within an inch of his or her life. There is a difference between a kid who gets abused for no reason and a kid who gets a slap in the face for telling his mother to go and fuck herself. There is a difference between poverty and neglect. The system has lost sight of all of that.Bingo! Yes. The public as a whole has lost sight of this. People afraid to spank their children, or discipline them at all for fear of being accused of abusing their kids. There is a difference between spanking and abusing. I can't tell you how many smart mouth kids of strangers I'd love to slap or stick in a corner, but the parent just takes it. And the whole poverty issue-very very true. Again society as a whole. We've been spoiled in America and many people seem to think that if your child doesn't have a whole closet of the latest and greatest whatever then they are neglected. If their pants have holes in them, then tsk tsk. But what they don't pay attention to is the close-knit-ness that family may have, the love they share.
In cases like that, you protect them. If that's what these people did, I wouldn't have a problem with them. Instead we have them stealing children for trivial reasons, not giving them back when it's the right thing to do and putting them into foster care when other family members are available and willing.True. As is the reverse. Sometimes no one will step forward because the whole family tree is misguided, addicted or simply already stretched beyond their means.
It's actually quite funny. There is a whole gaggle of these lemmings, all bitching about the kids and those pesky bio-parents. "Oh my God! What I have to put up with when warehousing other peoples children." They all follow each others blogs and every time one of them speaks, ten throw in their two cents, either agreeing with it all or trying to out do each other.Because, whether you chose to believe it or not, they care. Misguided or not they care about the kids. I've seen it and it is emotionally draining as well as financially. Do you think they don't feel sad and guilty when a 2 year old foster child is screaming for their Mommy in the middle of the night? They do, but they feel and are told by the SYSTEM that they are protecting that child from further abuse. Yes, sadly so so sadly, the child is experiencing emotional abuse by being ripped from the parent they love but if it is a true case of parental abuse then it is a necessary evil. Even abused children love their parents and want to stay with them, that doesn't mean that is where they should stay. The ones you should be dogging are the ones who
don't complain. They are the ones who don't care. They take the money, don't feed or clothe the child and go on their merry little way. Not making ripples so no one notices their treachery.
They all claim to. Yet at the end of the day, they are just as much stooges for the agencies as any other system suck.Yes I guess you could put it that way. But they are trying to help in the only way they know how. And some of these kids, but not all, desperately need them to be safe. Your blog proves that there all failings on both sides. It's a catch 22.
So many stupid people think that the system is a safety net for abused and neglected children. Well it's not. It's a mess. It causes psychological disorders in children, homelessness, and children are more likely to be abused. They drug them up to keep them quiet and happy. They bounce them around from home to home or throw them in group homes and institutions. Very rarely do any of them come out of it with their heads screwed on straight.Yes, but not all, again the reverse is true. And if they were taken out for valid abuse to begin with I would be surprised if they ever came out with their heads on completely straight-even if their foster parent was an angel. You carry that with you a lifetime.
So if you want solutions, great! You are free to take any of the information I provide and think some up.Again, I'm really ignorant of the system here but I have given it a little thought and I'll share my sad contributions below.
How are you going to know what the problems are that need to be solved? How are you going to identify the issues that need to be changed?I don't know.
Are you out there sticking up for the families who have been screwed by CPS? Are you speaking up for the children whose lives are destroyed because of an injustice?No, I don't know where to begin. I've been looking for guidance.
Now LK, for my "solutions". They're just thoughts really. First, I think we need some common ground. A place where people from both sides of the issue can come together to politely debate change and make suggestions. Somewhere where different groups and blogs can post their sites to raise awareness for people in their area, where there can be forums for polite discussion and people can create groups for their state/city/county, where announcements can be posted based on state/area for rallies and petitions being held. Where there can be support and instructions on where to start, how to get involved in your area. It needs to be compartmentalized because each state has different CPS laws (right? I'm not 100% sure) but together so it can be a national movement. It would however need to be more of a website than a blog so there could be an agreement for terms of usage, moderators (who could not be extremists on either side) to keep things from getting ugly and the moderators would need to have the ability to suspend or delete accounts based on behavior. We want a calm, safe place to come together. I was thinking of something modeled it after
RFAK's site (which is about food allergies). There may already be a place or places like this, I don't know. But we need to get organized nationally, all the little subgroups need to come together.
I also think people like you need to stop attacking foster parents and foster parents need to stop attacking people like you. The truth of the matter is there is good and bad on both sides and the system needs a complete overhaul. We need to come together to hold "them" accountable. That won't happen when we're at each others throats, we're not a threat to them when we're attacking one another too. Only when we come together will we really see change. Can you imagine how powerful that will be? Agents on both sides. We could effect change from the inside out and the outside in. Mwaa Ha Ha! (cue shifty eyes and evil grin) But seriously, that would be amazing.